Talk:Longwood University Sucks/Complaints

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[edit] Play nice

This site welcomes a discussion about the content its users have contributed. If you feel you had a different experience at Longwood, or have something to say, speak up! You should add it to the talk pages (like the one you're on right now).

But DO NOT make personal attacks. If you attack any of the other users on this site, your comments will be removed and you may be blocked from bluwiki indefinitely. We're not here to flame eachother.

Thanks! --Sam Odio 19:19, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Discussion of complaints students have posted

[edit] Longwood & Alcohol

[edit] Alcohol awareness

To demonstrate who useful all the alcohol awareness crap is, OCTAA during orientation is where I met my first drinking buddies. My freshman class (fall '99) set a then record for alcohol busts in one night despite the fact that we were all in orientation be lectured too about how not to drink the entire day before - Anonymous

Moved from main page, because this isn't really a complaint... --Sam Odio 16:28, 6 February 2007 (EST)

[edit] Dry Campus vs. Party school

"Longwood prides themselves on being a "dry" campus but in reality its a party school." - anon

I wouldn't consider Longwood a party school...in the slightest. There are two weekends where big parties happen other wise its a pretty dull atmosphere. - anonymous

aparently you have never left campus... - anon

[edit] Policy on drinking

I have updated Longwood's policy on drinking. I also wanted to add here that the source I pointed two was the 3 strike rule for Judicial Board sentencing, this doesn't even include the extra chances given before a J-board hearing. I was not an RA so I can't comment if J-Board was for a first offense or if they also had a warning in place. Either way to say parents are notified is completely false.

Actually, it's not false. Any disciplinary action involving alcohol / drugs is reported to parents when the student is under 21. Please see this section of the student handbook that reads "...Honor and Judicial Programs will, however, inform parents of students under the age of 21 years old about behavior associated with alcohol and drug abuse..." Thanks for pointing all this out - I honestly DO want to make sure the facts on this site are accurate, without anyone contesting them - you never really know. That might sound like sarcasm but I'm serious. --Sam Odio 17:28, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] The Social Scene

[edit] W&M has the same problem with greeks

William and Mary suffers from the same problem, i.e., the over abundance of fraternities and sororities. Williamsburg is no more exciting than Farmville. If you want to major in Greek life, Longwood and W&M are TOPS for that! -- anon

[edit] Greek life may be a big part of life at Longwood, but...

Greek life may be a big part of life at Longwood, but not all of them haze, and if you don't want to join you don't have to. It's a good way to make friends and not all of us are on an ego trip. Way to generalize. --anon

Please read more carefully "in most cases". Actions are speaking louder than words at this point buddy. - anonymous

[edit] Don't join a frat if you don't want to be hazed

Farmville is a tiny town, Social life sucks if you suck at making friends...(big supprise!) The frats do haze but if your joining a frat and dont want to be hazed... go kick your self in the nutz for being stupid! There is less to do but you have to be cerative or make some friends! Longwood seams dead to the people who don't know where to go. Meet people and you will have a good time -- anonymous

The person who wrote the above doesn't know anything about the fraternity system and is holding a common stereotype that proliferates the hazing problem at Longwood University. More namely the "Everyone does it" scenario. --anon

Anon, I've restored the original comment, since you can't just remove comments you disagree with. The best thing to do is to simply post your dissenting view - so that others are educated about both sides of the argument. --Sam Odio 19:48, 15 November 2006 (EST)

I mean hazing doesn't mean jack to me; actually I am all for it. But, those tools think they're Billy Bad Ass walking around thinking they belong. This is not the days of Animal House where in order to get a piece you needed to join a frat. Really if paying for friends and wanting to belong is your thing then by all means enroll to Longwood University. - anon

[edit] Hazing is a way to seperate the weak people from the strong

I personally think that hazing is a way to seperate the weak people from the strong. The military does it and no one has a problem with that. Even so, if you go through a period of hazing, then you are more likely to have a stronger bond with your pledge brothers AND have more pride in your organization. That fraternity that runs around campus priding themselves on just GIVING people letters for no reason is a joke and should be erased from the greek system. Have some pride in yourselves. Be respectful of your group to not just let ANYONE in. Seperate the weak and strong people. You're only as strong as your weakest link. - anon

Anon, are you a student at Longwood University or just some random guy posting on this site? --Sam Odio 16:07, 6 February 2007 (EST)

TO "Strong guy" - What is wrong with being weak? Are you talking about physical weakness, mental weakness, moral weakness or something else? Are there any other qualities that one might want to discriminate against (for example: callousness, economic position, over-inflated sense of self-importance, brown eyes, etc.)? - Anonymous past Longwood professor

Yes, I am an active student at Longwood University. The reason I posted is because hazing was getting a lot of negative comments and I feel that any good debate shows both viewpoints on a certain issue. I feel that hazing really is a good thing. Its a necessary evil in order to create a stronger bond between people. Hazing consists of breaking someone down so they can be built back up much stronger. The US military does this everyday, on purpose, and no one has a problem with that (or mentions it for that matter). You know why its done? Because a team is much stronger if everyone works together and has had to do the same thing to earn their stripes (or in our case, letters). To the guy that posted AFTER Sam Odio, I can't see much but ignorance from your post. But let me break it down for you. What is wrong with being weak? It means you're the bottom of the barrel. It means you have no skills that allows you to succeed in life. If you are too weak to be successful, then guess what, someone else will be strong enough to take the position that you can't fill. Its the way the world works. I'm not just talking about physical weakness. Pledging is 10-15% physical. Yeah, there are a lot of physical things someone has to go through. But its obvious not everyone is created in a muscle-man mold. The rest of pledging is all mental. If someone can't show enough heart, desire, or passion to push through then I DON'T want them in my organization. You know why? Because I DID show the heart. I DID have the strong mental attitude to understand that its nothing that I can't do. I wan't scared to do a push-up. You mention "discrimination", but I am seriously wondering what you meant by that. We discriminate against no one. You have no basis for your sarcastic argument either. Economic position? Come on. Give yourself a break, man. You act like we run background checks on possible members. Brown eyes? Last time I checked there weren't just brown-eyed people in the world. Look, my point is this....Hazing is an important process. If you let just ANYONE into your organization, including the people that otherwise wouldn't have the heart or guts to put effort to be there, then you're filling your organization with people that don't have the heart or guts to succeed. You're filling your group with people that wanted to be handed stuff for the rest of their life. This world is designed for someone to take their future into their own hands. I will NEVER just hand someone letters and not let them earn it. - Anonymous Longwood student

anon Being into BDSM doesn't make you more of a brother with someone, and where is your source for saying the military hazes. also I'm pretty sure the founders didn't beat them selves up, so it really isn't a valid tradition to follow, it was just some over zealous Neanderthal who decided it be fun to wail on a younger guy. also these strong you speak of seem to be the true weak, they need to beat some one else up to have any sense of their own strength, and they also follow a stupid "tradition" blindly like sheep, saying no is the strongest thing one can do in that situation, but im sure since you seem so on to hazing, you can not be reasoned with due to major brain damage, so i wish you the best - Anon 2

[edit] 40% of people on campus are Greek

"Longwood is more Greek oriented than any website about colleges would make you believe. And yes the majority of them haze. When you go to longwood, you really won't belong unless you're part of a sorority or frat." --anon

That is not totally true. 40% of people on campus are Greek, but the also includes the honorary fraternities that are academically oriented. Hazing is completely against the rules so unless a Greek organization wants to lose their sponsorship from the school they don't haze. Oh and I'm not Greek and I have a great time at Longwood....... Longwood. is. what. you. make. of. it. -- anonymous

As stated above, there is more greek life than just social organizations. 20 percent is social and 20 is honorary and academic, just so you know. I am in a fraternity at Longwood and I belonged well before I joined and I still have best friends from before I rushed and was sure that I wanted to join a greek organization. It's not for everyone but if you are happy with meeting new people and enjoying a young life it's for you, just gotta find which organization is for you.

While I was at Longwood I was in a Sorority that did not haze but I know for a fact that many sororities and frats do haze. Just because the school doesn't allow it does not mean it doesn't happen (it just means they hide it). --Sarah Urban 04:30, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

I feel like people shouldn't start rumors about hazing. If you aren't in the organization you do not know what is going on! Even if you are Greek, that does not mean you automatically know what goes on in other sororities and fraternities. And yes there is a Fraternity that prides themselves in NOT hazing. So the statement "Don't join a fraternity" b/c you'll get hazed is ridiculous and gives Greek a bad name. -Anonymous

Thats right Longwood fraternities don't haze. Stop the rumors..the pledge period was suspended for absolutely no reason a few years ago. Oh wait now I remember maybe because someone got the crap beat out of him and had to crawl into a hospital. There were actually enough people who got hazed on campus that a bunch of them started their own fraternity (the one you actually mention). Go ahead join a fraternity but know what you're joining and why you're joining it. -Anon

[edit] I disagree that pledging is the only way to have a social life.

I disagree that pledging is the only way to have a social life. I had nothing to do with greek life, but I had a large group of friends who partied all the time. I do hate that there aren't things like thai restaurants or hookah bars or anything in this rinky-dink town, but half the good times I've had were when my group of friends decided to make their own fun. -- anonymous

[edit] Cops do suck but longwood is not dead

Um Yes the cops suck but longwood is not dead by anymeans on the weekends. Also I've been to Longwood for 5 years and I havn't joined a Frat and I don't get treated anyless. If anything I am probly equal to the Fraternity brothers. I hang out with numerous Frats and Know plenty of chicks that aren't in sororites. YOu all are way over exaggerating this!!!. -- anon

[edit] It was dead for me... and all my friends agree

Yes if you enjoy drinking alcohol in fields ("field parties") there were definitely some of those. BUT compared to all the other college towns around VA (Charlottesville, Washington DC, Blacksburg, Harrisonburg, Richmond, etc) Farmville is no doubt one of the slowest. You CAN'T tell me there's more going on in Farmville than Harrisonburg.

I've had several friends that have visited me on the weekends remark at how deserted the dorms look - and most of the students I talk to agree, the place DOES look deserted. The fact is, many leave for the weekends - either going home or to other college towns. --208.36.210.252 17:54, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

According to US News a third of the campus leaves for the weekend, but I have a feeling that's a little conservative (when I was there it seemed more like two-thirds of my dorm was gone). [1] --Sam Odio 04:20, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

I doubt that any of those numbers are even close, yes one third may leave, but how many of those live in Chesterfield or richmond which are not but fourty minutes away and well within a days trip. Several of my friends have visited from ODU, Radford, and Tech and remarked at the abundance of parties to go to and the amount of people at both. I was an RA and found that many of my residents were there on the weekends and out and about. I don't doubt that people go home but the numbers aren't right - Anon

Well my experience at Longwood University was exactly opposite to yours... I felt like everyone left on the weekends. In fact, when I had friends from other Universities visit, they often commented about how dead the place looked. --Sam Odio 16:11, 6 February 2007 (EST)

[edit] The town - FARMVILLE

[edit] Farmville is in the middle of nowhere and thats what I like about it.

At other schools I've visited, the dorms were just as dead as LU's. The surrounding area is what is different. I've been living in northern virginia all my and the whole non-suburban atmosphere is what i was lookin for. I went to Longwood understanding that the other schools that have "stuff to do" as ya'll are puttin it, are only an hour to hour and a half away. Farmville is in the middle of nowhere and thats what I like about it. Blame the lack of social life on the town of Farmville for not having more off-capus communities for us to live in and blame it on Longwood for making it so difficult to move off campus in the first place. --anonymous

I agree with the above. Also, Farmville is growing. I moved here in 2001 and this town had nothing. Now there is an 8 screen movie theater, shops geared towards college students, decent dining establishments, and more things to do. I think it's great, so I moved here permanently (yes, I am a townie). Believe it or not, this town is a lot different when the college kids aren't in residence. Keep in mind that the reason for college isn't any of the complaints that are listed. It's the education. --Anonymous Farmville resident

[edit] Cops

Farmville has three different police departments. (Longwood PD, Farmville PD, and Price Edward County PD). Amazing for such a small town! Needless to say, the cops are all over the place.

Removed complaint because its not unusual for college towns to have 3 police departments. Although there are police everywhere, and they'll stop you for even the most minor infractions. Of course they're all over anyone who looks drunk. --Sam Odio 23:08, 2 August 2006 (EDT)

CORRECTION!! --- There are actually over 5 law enforcement agencies with jurisdiction within the Town. Virginia State Police, Town of Farmville Police, Prince Edward County Sheriff's Office, Cumberland County Sheriff's Office, Longwood Universtiy Police, and any other Federal or State agency..ex: Capitol Police, Game Warden, all the feds...!!! -- anonymous

CORRECTION!!! Irrelevant. The point of this site isn't to identify the caste system of law enforcement. You can identify all of these organizations up to federal level in any municipality.

Farmville/Longwood Cops will most definetly get you for EVERY SINGLE minor infraction. I am a longwood student and I parked in a 2 HOUR parking space in front of our library and I got a ticket from the longwood cops after parking there for only 33 minutes. I also got my car towed for parking under a "resident parking" sign behind my dorm. The resident parking sign was located directly next to the resident parking lot for longwood students. However in THIS case the sign did not mean resident of longwood, it meant resident of farmville. When put that close to the school parking lot, the signage needs to be more specific...Oh and I also got a parking ticket for sitting in front of Kroger with my hazards on for 3 minutes waiting for my friend to go in and grab some bread. The cop told me it was a Fire Lane and I could not park there. That is understandable however if he had politely told me this was the case I would have gladly pulled into the nearest parking space. The Longwood cops wonder why students dont go to them for help- its because they do more damage than good. The same goes for farmville police. Students feel that they are, in a sense, out to get them and would not go to them at all rather than go and try to get help but then get slammed for something else. Police are supposed to be public servants and enforce the law JUSTLY. Don't plan on getting ANY free passes from the police here and frankly it's sad that people dont trust them enough to go to them for help.

For any infraction, it really all depends on which cops you get caught by. If it's the Hampden Sydney/Keysville police or the State police, in regards to alcohol, they will not inform your parents or your school. However Longwood has a deal with the Farmville Cops and they will report any incidents that have to do with Longwood students. So if you get an underage posession ticket from the Farmville cops- expect a strike from j-board and a letter home to your parents.

[edit] Racisim & Cops

I LIVE here in Farmville and I'm an older person who also attends Longwood. I'm not a racist and Farmville is not as racist as you say it is! Just go to the any of the public schools and you will see children in every grade mixing together. My best friend is black and so is my youngest son's! As far as Farmville POlice - YOU ARE DEAD ON! They are the biggest bunch of jerks there is! They have nothing better to do but harass people! You're not the only ones! Actually students usually fare better than older people. It is well-known that Farmvilee Police give out tickets like candy and ALWAYS in groups. So if you're stopped for speeding, you can bet the cop will find a few other things to add on! The fines and court fees are ridiculous! The town makes A LOT of money this way! I have told my family to drive out of the way so they will NOT have to stop, and that means SHOP too, in Farmville! LCS

[edit] Transportation

Um. If you're worried about not having a car as a freshman, MAKE FRIENDS WITH UPPER CLASSMEN! The FAB isn't great, but it doesn't suck that bad.

I have a daughter that goes to Longwood and she does have a car because she is one of the FEW who actually has a job, it seems there are alot of spoiled kids in college who live off mommy and daddy and what's wrong with walking to the Walmart, it's not that far, but oh that's right your a spoiled rotten kid who has probably never had to walk anywhere, get over it. anon

[edit] Others

[edit] Dining halls and school population

"Longwood is really stupid. They dont need a new sports facility they need a new Dinning HALL!! its sooo crowded during lunch and dinner times unless you go for dinner at 4:30!" - anonymous

They actually have a new (relatively) dining hall, it opened in 2000. However, it has outgrown capacity due to the school trying to increase the student population (another problem) and also to some stupid decisions by Aramark (Scaramark). One of them being the elimination of about 100 or so seats to put two, yes TWO, salad bars in. What a waste of space! - anon

About the dining hall. It may be a little crowded, but think of it as an opportunity to sit with people you might not know yet. You could *gasp* make a new friend. But if you really hate being forced to be social at meals, get a smaller meal plan and make or buy the rest of your meals. -- anonymous

"...school trying to increase the student population..." If you had done your research you would know what is really going on. The school isn't attempting to increase the student population. They are not accepting more/less freshman than they have been - more student's are accepting Longwood. It's not just a "safety school" anymore; people really want to go there. I wonder why that could be because apparently Longwood sucks. -- anonymous

I did do my research, it is in Longwood's Strategic Plan. Also, my quote reads "increase the STUDENT population." Nowhere did I mention or imply more/less freshman. - anon

I did a lot of research on Longwood before I decided to apply. When I visited the campus I really fell in love with it, but I definitely noticed how crowed the dining room got. Of course, we also happened to walk through there around one or one thirty. I still can't wait to finally get there next fall, and I won't mind chenging my eating schedule slightly. Plus, there's a Wal*Mart. :) -Ella

[edit] Positive Change

I have a complaint about this website. If "Longwood sucks," GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. All school's have their problems though, so if you're going to complain everywhere maybe college isn't for you. Or when you do make it through some God-awful school, get a job there and really change things. Or join the SGA and get together with other students who have the same problems that you do and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. This website was supposedly created to "do something about it rather than just complain." I personally don't see anything but complaints. I obviously have my problems with Longwood, otherwise I wouldn't have been sent a link to this site, but I don't just complain to whoever will listen. I complain to the right people. Try setting up a meeting with whoever you have a complaint with and talk to them - find out the real reason they're having problems in whatever area. The answer might surprise you. -- anonymous

Regarding your complaints about the website: Personally I am going somewhere else - and a friend of mine who has also contributed to this site has also left LU. I've also written about 6 letters to Longwood administration - including President Cormier. While I was there I must've met with 6-12 more administrators about my concerns. Talking to them got me nowhere.

After what seemed like the last straw, I gave up and decided the only way LU will change is through a site like this - where students can voice their problems. --Sam Odio 02:32, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

Anon poster, I appreciated your suggestions for ways to "really change things." I've reposted some of the stuff to a new page - Creating a Positive Change. Feel free to add to it --Sam Odio 02:55, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

The POSITIVE Change part of this website and the space for talk are the best things about it. If anyone really does want positive change, a goodly portion of this site is not an example of what is likely to work. For the most part, people and organizations are not likely to respond positively to something that looks like an attack. Also, I went to a very large state U ages ago. (I am not a student at LU. Have taught there.) The problems the students complained about when I was in school are amazingly similar to those complained about here. That DOES NOT mean that none of these complaints are credible. But you may want to consider that it may indicate the nature of the challenges faced by universities and administrations. I have personally seen administrators at LU laboring sincerely to improve things for students - including responding to complaints like these. As for the police (campus or town) -- if you feel you are being harrassed you might consider doing what a confident, innocent adult might do -- take the name (and badge # if applicable) of the offending individual and report it to their superiors. Put it in writing and get names of witnesses. Send cc's to other relevant parties (college president, town manager, etc.) And finally - "recreational complaining" may feel good (and most of us do it) - but it is always good to distinguish for oneself when one is complaining for recreation and when it is really about change. Good luck.

[edit] Outrageous fees

I just recently got my tuition bill with a nice $1600 per semester comp fee. What does that fee cover? Phone, security, and student recreation construction!!! I'm am an off campus commuter so why do I need to pay for phone and security?! Also I am a senior and will be graduating this year so why the hell should I have to pay for the student rec building being built?!? -- anonymous

You might as well remove the "outrageous" parking charges. Unless of course you want to point out how outrageous they are at every other campus in virginia. It sucks but it is in no way a Longwood-Only complaint.--208.27.3.38

I don't think anyone ever suggested any of these complaints were specific to Longwood. Many of these complaints probably apply to other schools as well. But this site is about Longwood after all, not other schools. --Sam Odio 07:03, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

You sure do plug UVA a lot throughout this site. You could have fooled me. I thought the whole point of this site was to point out why going to other schools is better. After all, you already gave up on Longwood, so what other reason do you have for this site than to steer traffic away from them. The complaint and horror stories are nothing but a list of occurrences (in many case simply errors) which when grouped together look horrible. You could do it about any school, you're just bitter against Longwood for some reason. --208.27.3.38

I plug UVA because I can't help comparing Longwood with the only other school I've attended. I am DEFINITELY not trying to promote UVA over Longwood, or steer traffic from Longwood to UVA. If you tell me what seems like the most egregious plug, I'll try to reword it so that it's not plugging UVA.

Personally, I don't think UVA is "superior" to Longwood as a school, I just like the administration a WHOLE lot better. I feel they're much more accommodating. And just because I left Longwood doesn't mean that I'm not still frustrated with the administration, and not still interested in improving the experience there. --Sam Odio 17:43, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Dorm room wireless

208.27.3.38, the map you cited as evidence that some dorm rooms have wireless actually focuses on Longwood's outdoor wireless coverage. Each circle represents the wireless strength when the laptop is outside. On the map, the green buildings are the ones with indoor wireless coverage. These buildings are:

• Hiner
• Lankford Student Union
• Greenwood Library
• Hull

As of right now, Longwood has not implemented any indoor wireless program in the dorm rooms. It is possible that you might get a signal in the dorm rooms when you are in the line of sight of an outdoor AP (access point). However, the signal in the dorm rooms is likely to be low and unreliable, since the APs were installed with the purpose of covering the outdoor areas. --Sam Odio 17:52, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Anyone else have a problem with a department chair?

Has anyone had any problems with the faculty/professors at Longwood? I have, sadly, had a negative experience with a department chair and I was wondering if people were generally satisfied with their professors.

[edit] mixed feelings

This website was certainly humorous and I did agree with quite a few things in here. I happened to LOVE Longwood & my time there, but certain things, such as the housing on campus really does need to be addressed. Its inhumane to allow people to live in dorms with no a/c. I remember my first year, living in Tabb and finding it difficult to sleep, study, and feel clean. It was just awful. However some of the things I don't agree with. I found farmville's size and charm somewhat unique. I think Longwood did a lot of special things to make students feel like they were at home, some things that not even larger universities do, like the nice thanksgiving dinners, and the spring weekend/oktoberfest, and the midnight breakfast at exam times. A lot of people think that a big school automatically means better. Have you actually ever been out to Va tech/Radford? It is absolutely in the MIDDLE of NOWHERE. For some reason people seem to leave that out whenever talking about the famous Tech. Farmville is at least close to Richmond and Lynchburg. I have no interest in football so that wouldn't keep me entertained. I obviously have since graduated and am in the 'real world' now and appreciated my college years even more so than when I was a student. You will in life, always be faced with situations that you don't agree with or don't think are right but it's your attitude and how you handle it that will determine how well or how hard your life will be when faced with difficult situations. But after graduating from Longwood I have a job I'm proud of and would not have been eligible for without my degree. Im not saying everything Longwood did was right (it certainly wasn't, things like housing, charging outrageous fees for plastic chairs, etc) but I hope that you'll one day look back and enjoy a time when things were simpler and your days were your own.

[edit] French professors are fine

Woah woah woah...the French professors are fine. Great actually, albeit Amoss is a bit boring. I mean, I can only speak for Amoss and Dr. Edwards, as they're the only ones who teach the Major level classes, but I've had nothing but positive / constructive experiences with them. To be quite honest, my assessment of the foreign language dept. (French at least) has always been one highlighting the qualities of the professors and the lack of care (..or personal responsibility) on the students' parts. - anonymous

[edit] To the parent who was physically threatened

I am a parent of a LU student and I kind of find some of these complaints to be ridiculous. For instance, to the mother above...did you honestly think that your freshman would not encounter roommates who chose to party if she took a random assignment living arrangement? And if she went to another school do you honestly believe it would be any different? Sometimes the roommate thing is crap shoot. I teach at a major university in Virginia and I'm well aware of the variety of student activities that go on at the freshman level. Let your kid go off into the real world and deal with real world problems. It's part of her education.

Well in the "real world" physical threats are treated respectfully. My daughter is living in the real world, she isn't a trust fund baby, she actually has held a job since the age of 15 and has paid her own way. I am very proud of her and the way she has handled her situation, there ended up being no blood shed of any cheerleaders who are suppose to represent the school. I'm am happy your student hasn't had any problems at LU and you happen to be a teacher at a major university and feel you are informed on the goings on, but as a parent it isn't ridiculous when your child reguardless of their ages is physically threated. Maybe you should tell the VT parents that physical threats are ridiculous. --concerned parent

[edit] If you want better retention rates, go to a better school

There are complaints on this site regarding the freshman attrition rates, but 25% is common for a university where the average HS gpa is below 3.4! If you wanted to go to a school that retains more freshman, you should have studied harder in high school! Let's face it, some kids just aren't prepared for college at 18, and may never will be.